230: Influencers for Good: Spreading the Message of Gun Safety

Actress, podcaster, and activist Caitlin McHugh Stamos joined hosts Kelly and JJ to discuss social good campaigns, gun safety in entertainment, and the power of language - all with an eye on our shared responsibility to tackle gun violence. We dissected the role of entertainment in shaping societal norms, particularly with respect to gun use, as well as role of emotions in decision-making and how it could be harnessed for the cause of gun safety.

Further reading:
How Can I Help? (How Can I Help Podcast)
Hollywood Actors, Directors, Creators Discuss Gun Safety (Brady)
Gun Guidelines for the Media (Hollywood Health and Society)
Please give mothers what we really want for Mother’s Day #PhoneCallsNotFlowers (CaitlinSkyBound)
Why moms are 'leading the charge' and asking for gun reform this Mother's Day (Yahoo!News)
'Yellowstone' and Hollywood's Quiet Pivot to Showing Gun Safety Onscreen (the Ankler)
 House Roundtable: ‘Hollywood Has Been Due for a Reckoning’ (Variety)

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:08

This is the legal disclaimer, where I tell you that the views, thoughts and opinions shared on this podcast belong solely to our guests and hosts and not necessarily Brady or Brady's affiliates. Please note this podcast contains discussions of violence that some people may find disturbing. It's okay, we find it disturbing. Hey everybody, welcome back to another Brassota for Ed Blue and Brady. I'm one of your hosts, jj, and today we are sitting down with actress podcaster activist Caitlin McEw Stamos. Caitlin is someone who is really using her platforms to fight for social good and a number of areas, and that includes gun violence. If you've wondered how to meet people where they are, how to start some social good campaigns and how to really use many of us have limited time how to use that limited time we have to help combat gun violence, caitlin is the lady with answers.

Speaker 2: 1:21

Hi, i'm Caitlin McEw Stamos and a new huge fan of all things Brady.

Speaker 1: 1:27

Oh that's a fantastic. That's the best intro we've had so far.

Speaker 3: 1:30

I think That's intro.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Yeah, we would love to know a little bit about you. I mean, i know you as an activist and I know you from now stalking you on social media, but for our listeners who maybe haven't done that yet, can you tell us a little bit about your work and what you do?

Speaker 2: 1:47

I guess historically, i've been a model for 17 years and done some acting work in that time too. I'm a mother of a five-year-old and I have a podcast called How Can I Help, where every episode I focus on an issue facing the world and I talk to people who are trying to do something about it, organizations and then also, if possible, a person that they have helped to help humanize issues in the world too. One of the episodes was on guns, responsible gun use and responsible gun laws. When I noticed, or how I felt, doing all these episodes, i realized so many of our world's problems could be fixed if we had a better functioning government. That made me get more into different kinds of activism and advocacy work and learning about bills and laws and figuring out which politicians I want to be backing in different ways and also political groups that are working to. They were a similar mindset to me, like Brady.

Speaker 3: 2:48

What motivated you to do an episode on guns and gun violence and then to go further into that space?

Speaker 2: 2:55

Well, definitely, just being an American with a child who is of school age, i have to say, every time for many years that we see these highly publicized mass shooting events, i felt it in my heart and empathized with victims. I try to vote in people who want to see more responsible gun laws, but I realized there's more we can do. There's more than just voting that we should be doing and we could be doing. Even though I did this episode before Uvaldi, that first, I guess, maybe because at that point I had a child in preschool and just realizing how much trust I was putting into the world and putting my baby somewhere that I'm not at, i ended up so stressed from that event. I felt it in my bones for about three weeks I could not let go of the anxiety, the depression, all of the feels from that particular, that one in particular, and that really drove me into wanting to do everything that I could.

Speaker 2: 4:10

And most recently, we did a Mother's Day campaign And I did it with Emily Amick, who is on Instagram, is Emily in your phone And she's had a hand in helping write a lot of bills that are hoping to hit the floor dealing with gun safety. And we were just asking hey, moms, you know, what do you really want from Mother's Day Flowers? No, i don't think so. We want to keep our kids safe in school, basically, and what we can do about that, like calling congressmen, making sure our voice is heard, and I want to do more things like that.

Speaker 1: 4:43

I wonder if we can like kind of in that vein of kind of doing more like that, or where that work comes from. I wonder how you feel as someone who, like you, are a content creator, both through like the podcast And, as I said, we stalk you on social media. Everyone should. We'll include a link in the description of this episode. You're welcome, but you know, what sort of responsibility do you feel as someone or of putting things out in the world? Do you feel that it's kind of from that perspective, as a creator, you have the responsibility. Do you feel like as a mom, as a citizen? is it a mix of all of those?

Speaker 2: 5:14

Yes, like a mix of all of those.

Speaker 2: 5:16

I feel like it is.

Speaker 2: 5:18

I really feel like it's every one of our responsibility to hold each other in this, in this society.

Speaker 2: 5:24

I feel like, for some reason, people have taken pursuit of happiness to be a very individualistic ideal, and the way that I see it is I cannot be happy if my neighbor is not happy, if my neighbor is scared for their life, if there is any group of people who feel under attack in this country, then we are not all in pursuit of happiness. And so for me I feel responsible as a citizen of this country just the world as a mother wanting to send a good example for my kid. And then also I recognize I have a lot of privilege in my place in life in that I have the time and I have the resources to be able to do more than I could have, say, 15 years ago, in my 20s. I was in a different place in life and I was hustling and trying to pay bills and stuff, and I'm living more comfortably, and I feel like what I give to the world needs to be at least equal to what I have been given in this world.

Speaker 3: 6:28

So really, really wise observation about the pursuit of happiness and how it's been individualized, especially around guns and this quote. second amendment, and I'm wondering, as someone who you've been very vocal in your social media JJ said using your platform to speak out about gun violence and gun violence prevention. I'm wondering how? How have the responses been to that? Has there been anything that surprised you entering into this space?

Speaker 2: 6:55

There's. You kind of expect everything, you know, when you open yourself up to the social media, ether you're going to get it all back And I have gotten it all back from beautiful responses from people feeling inspired and wanting to use their voice too. Because one thing I say yes, i have. You know, i'm not the most popular person on social media. I have a little bit of a following in that blue check mark, which is helpful for some things. But I say, if you have 10 followers, that's still 10 people who care what you think and what you feel. And so when you share your thoughts and feelings and share who you are and what you stand for, it's a way of connecting with others.

Speaker 2: 7:34

And you know my podcast is not super popular. Not a ton of people are listening to it. But I had, like one person say hey, i listened to this episode where you talked about people experiencing homelessness and an organization that's helping people get off the streets. I'm a foster mom and the biological mother of one of these kids is on the streets. I'm going to get her connected with this organization so she gets off. So that's just one person, but that could save a life, right? So it doesn't matter how far you reach you can have an impact. But because I have a few more followers and my stuff tends to get you know you sometimes it'll reach people who don't follow me and who may not agree with me, and I've had some. I've actually had some conversations online. If someone is willing to have a productive conversation where they can be respectful and have a back and forth with me, i welcome that, and I've had some people comment.

Speaker 2: 8:25

I don't know if you read it, but I've gone back and forth on my page, on my husband's page, about this Mother's Day campaign in particular. So just a short version of the script for anyone who hasn't seen it. It was basically like eight moms talking into camera saying, hey, hon, some other day is coming up And this year I don't want flowers, whatever cute thing you're planning. What I want from you is to call your Congressperson and to demand action against gun violence, because it is the number one killer of our children, and all I want for Mother's Day this year is to still celebrate next year. And then we were officially backing a particular background check bill that has like about like 87% approval rate for both Republicans and Democrats come back and it's a very bipartisan approval thing.

Speaker 2: 9:10

And yet I got quite a bit of pushback from some people who either did not pay attention to the caption or who just I don't know, just didn't. It wasn't registering to them. And I had some productive conversations or a frequent response that I got was this is all, mental illness, mental illness is the problem. And then to that I just kept saying that is fantastic that you support wanting to mental health program. So please, when you call about background checks, also mention that you want to make sure that mental health programs are well funded, because currently there is one party that is looking to cut funding for those things. So please, please, still call and tell your representatives what you support.

Speaker 2: 9:58

And then there's another one that was like you know, i'm raising my kids with guns in the house and they're nearly adults. They've been safe and that's great. I'm a responsible gun owner. That's awesome. I'm so glad that your kids have grown up in a safe environment and you're responsible gun owner. Wouldn't it be fantastic if we had a program that made sure that every owner was responsible, with things like safe storage laws and background checks and permits and all this stuff? And he goes oh well, i guess when you put it that way, you know so you can reach them. Sometimes, you know, as long as you come from a place you know, I don't want to come from place of you're wrong And this is why I want to. I want to say yes and as much as possible, you know so.

Speaker 1: 10:42

Yeah, just like improv training your way through all of those conversations.

Speaker 1: 10:45

Exactly, and I really do actually think you know as someone who I can speak for Kelly and I both as people who run a niche podcast right, we talk about gun violence on a podcast like we're in, i think, a similar boat. Right, we have folks that listen in and then every week, and then folks that kind of just stumble across it because they're looking for some information on something, and even if somebody disagrees, if they listen to the whole episode and then have thoughts and concerns and like want to email and talk about it in a way that is respectful and is open, i'm super excited to have people come on. We've had people come on to like disagree and argue with us like very openly, because I think it's useful and I do feel like kind of one of the things that has fallen out of style, i think in our country is like an open and respectful dialogue where everybody's acting in good faith, and so the more you can bring that back, the happier Yeah absolutely Exactly, and so I'm totally on any topic.

Speaker 2: 11:37

I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone, as long as you can stay respectful and keep it about. Even it doesn't even have to be exactly on topic, like there are people who want to change it to be like the problem is fatherless, fatherless houses and stuff like that. I'm like, oh okay, all right. All right, we'll talk about this a little bit, but you're getting off. You're getting a more off topic now.

Speaker 2: 11:54

You're starting another conversation, but I do try. I try to stay engaged because, again, then we're not going to get anywhere if we keep floating further and further away without having these conversations.

Speaker 1: 12:09

I do like to, and I want to point this out because I think one of the things that your podcast does distill, and what I think the Mother's Day campaign showed, is that gun violence is an intersectional issue too. It's not that you need to only care about gun violence and, by saying that you care about gun violence or gun violence prevention, that you don't also care about poverty or folks experiencing homelessness or all of those issues, like it's not saying that this is the one issue that magically fixes everything, or that one bill will magically fix the problem.

Speaker 1: 12:37

Yes, okay, thank you care about a lot of people and a lot of things all at once.

Speaker 2: 12:41

That was another comments that you have feeling. Well, why don't you talk about child trafficking? That's a real problem. Why don't you talk about fentanyl? That's a real problem. Like well, actually these are all issues that are affecting us in society today and we can do something about all of them. We don't have to just pick one thing And yes, that is part of what the podcast is about. And even when it comes to gun-related violence stuff, people want it. It's like oh well, it's the gang issue. That's the real thing. It's not the. We don't really have to. We don't really. We shouldn't even be worrying about the suicides, and we shouldn't be. Or the school shootings It's so rare, you don't have to worry about that. We should be worrying about this sort of thing. And I see, i think that every issue plaguing our country is something worth giving some attention to and at least working on fixing.

Speaker 3: 13:33

Yeah, and one of the ways I know that you've participated in this, in addition to your podcast and using your platform, is the Show Your Safety Initiative, which is a Brady project, where it's really bringing together individuals in the film and TV and storytelling industries to really think about the way that we depict guns in our culture. And I'm wondering what made you interested even in that particular aspect, because some people might say who cares about TV? It's just entertainment.

Speaker 1: 14:03

Who cares? We shouldn't be talking about the media. We should be talking about.

Speaker 2: 14:07

Again, it's another thing that people like to say. They want to shut you up on one thing and try to focus on other things, all the other shiny things. But, like I said, i feel like all these problems are they're all multifaceted. We have to attack from every angle that we can. And, yes, i decided to jump on to Show Your Safety because I feel like entertainment can't it does affect culture.

Speaker 2: 14:33

We've seen examples of this in the past. A few of them, like way back during World War II, world War I, we used entertainment to be able to say, hey, let's pay our taxes because this will help us fund the World War II and our guys who are abroad. And before then, paying taxes is not a big thing. And then, when it came to seat belts, when they were new back in the 50s or whatever, they weren't widely used. And then, when they started seeing TV and film stars, you suddenly became second nature. And with smoking, it was very cool to be smoking in film. And then now you don't see it as much and numbers have gone down. And those aren't the only things that helped lower those numbers of smoking or to keep people safe in cars. There were other things that were done as well, but it was part of it. And so, even though, yes, there are other countries that can see all those violence and things, and they're fine and they're not shooting everybody up, and it's because they have a bunch of laws protecting them, and until we have those laws protecting us, let's figure out other ways that we can find some ways to help too.

Speaker 2: 15:46

So, in Hollywood, what could be done in TV and film? I'm even a very small scale of hey, you know what? when the cop in the show comes home, instead of first going into the fridge, why don't we see him put his gun into a safe? Why don't we show some how safes can be cool, even Like there's ways of filming things. It'd be cool, and wouldn't it be awesome if, when we're showing people shooting guns, to show more of the reality, of what it is, instead of making it look like, oh, this guy's cool and in charge and in control, let's show what it's like, what it's really like, cause I don't think anyone is pulling a trigger, who is not scared, who is not possibly angry, i don't think it's just people who are in control who are holding guns and to show more of that as well. So that's a couple of things, and so it actually started before me before I jumped on this tour of safety.

Speaker 2: 16:39

It was a letter that went around Hollywood and hundreds of people ended up signing on saying that they are going to show more responsible gun use in TV and film. And then the White House was interested in that conversation as well and invited TV and film producers and writers to come, and it was a nice little discussion, and now we're hoping to continue that. We wanted to grow the conversation, cause there's thousands of writers. As it turns out, they're all picking right now. There's so many in front of the studios, and so we're kind of fortunate right now in that, because writers are currently striking. As we're recording this, writers have time to be pondering these things, so hopefully when they get back to work they'll have some good story ideas and showing guns in different ways that might help us out a little bit.

Speaker 1: 17:29

And it's like that slow slide of normalization, because I think, cause I feel like we're kind of all around in the same general age group And I know that for me growing up I think every TV show like especially like the school after school sitcom types, things everybody had, like the anti-drunk driving, episode Like it weaved into the narrative.

Speaker 1: 17:46

And now I think to today when I'm watching kind of shows of a similar vein. It's when the characters are leaving the bar. it's always ordering an Uber, ordering a Lyft, like that is just a thing that people default to, because that is if we become habituated that we don't tolerate drunk driving. So the good characters always get a cab, always have a ride, always have something sort of planned. They're not getting behind the wheel and that that's just kind of written in as just another beat in the plot. And I would love to see that kind of thing happen with guns as well. Right, that it's just. You put it in the safe, you take it out of the safe.

Speaker 2: 18:20

Yeah, i think we are gonna see more of that, which is promising And will, i believe, have an impact on our culture.

Speaker 3: 18:28

You made a point earlier about yes anding and engaging with people who maybe they I agree with you more than they realize, and I'm wondering too if there are ways that entertainment Could help have that conversation. You know you can't talk to every single person, But some of the additions that you were talking about, if those are ways to further what you're doing as an individual, But through entertainment as well.

Speaker 2: 18:55

That's definitely the goal, it's definitely the hope and also want it, just wanting to get people with bigger platforms Who are like minded and helping them realize that they do have a voice like this.

Speaker 2: 19:07

And then I and I think it took a while for me to realize that too for a long time I was doing my own thing, kind of quietly right and not kind of not really realizing that Entertainment, whether it's social media, tv or film were avenues that I could use my, my voice for some hopefully good you know for, to make it impact in a positive way, and And and I'm just hoping that more people realize that we have more power than we think we do in all of those mediums.

Speaker 1: 19:34

Well, and I love them like the Mother's Day angle as well that y'all took on, because I feel like that's also like an under Underappreciated in terms of like voice in this country. But I think of like mom's demand or even like the million mom March, like you know, when you think of kind of the modern gun violence prevention movement, like in many ways, like that was moms Yeah, taking that on initially who are normally like quiet because they're busy.

Speaker 2: 19:57

We're very, very busy and you know We're, and I think that a lot of people sort of put us and we belong in a certain place, you know in the kitchen or whatever, and I think that, and sometimes we do it to ourselves, sometimes it's society telling us where we belong. I'm sure a lot of people try to tell me where I belong And and I and I again is a lot of it's just like recognizing that no, we, our voices, are important, they are valid, they are their perspectives that are needed out there. In fact, i'm. Another thing I'm involved with is vote mama, which is an organization that's working to get more mothers of young children in office, from school board up into Congress and hopefully beyond, and That is. And this week I really feel like and again this goes back to the earlier in the conversation where it was when I became a mother of a school-aged child that It really pushed me into action in a way that I hadn't before, like, yeah, i'd shown up to, you know, to marches, and again I voted, but I but I wasn't doing everything, i wasn't spending most of my waking time Trying to improve the world until I had someone I in particular I was doing it for. So in a lot of ways it's a selfish thing. It's because I love this kid so much and I want to leave the world better and safer for him, and and and I and I want for more of us to do that and not wait until Tragedy strikes to feel like I can take ownership of an issue, for example.

Speaker 2: 21:22

This is kind of getting off a little bit of what we're saying, but there are. There are our victims or survivors of gun violence that become the face of Of the fight, and I don't think it's fair to put them on It, to give so much responsibility, to put the burden of fighting all of society's Fights on them, because they're already going through enough. Those of us who have only been traumatized from afar, like I, do feel traumatized by by all of these gun shootings But I'm not, i was not at any and I have not Thoughts and prayers for hopefully I won't happen. That won't happen to me, but it is more likely in our country. But anyways, i want to get into that fight before it happens to me.

Speaker 3: 22:07

I want to get into that fight to prevent any more from happening and to relieve the burden from survivors as much as possible, because it's not just their fight, it is all of our fight, and we can't be waiting until It happens to us to join in and I'm wondering, since you've engaged more in this fight, are there any things that you learned or any myths that have been debunked, as you I mean it sounded like you were always, sort of you know in favor of gun safety and responsible gun laws, but I'm curious if what lessons you've learned or how being engaged and show your safety and some of these are Impacting what you're doing going forward.

Speaker 2: 22:43

I think so much of it is language and in years, right when I went, many I Would say that even three or four years ago, i would say gun control, right, and now I would, i would, i would stay away from that word, control, i would air, i would.

Speaker 2: 22:57

I would choose gun safety, responsible gun laws, responsible gun owners, because I feel like that's an easier way of connecting. So instead of wanting to fight people, right, i want to connect. I want to try to understand and be curious instead of Judge, be judgmental and hate right back, and so that's sort of the stuff that I've been learning the past several years, learning how to engage in healthier ways. And one thing I'm trying to learn more right myself right now, for myself too is is To try to fight the fight without getting too angry, right, you know, like to stay calm and keep on with being productive and to not sit and wallow and get and And to not sit and despair for too long. But, yeah, but if I feel like what I've learned the most is is language, how important languages in in connecting and then also wanting to be sure that, and trying to talk to, to people where, wherever they are at you know, meet them where they are at.

Speaker 1: 24:03

That's a really hard lesson, i think, no matter what area of like, of activism you're involved in too, especially when you're talking about something that is inherently perceived as being political. Right of like, how, how to meet folks and from a perspective of where they don't think that you're trying to get something over on them Or that you don't think that, based on their opinion, that they're not smart or that they're a bad person, i think. But to come in and say like, but like you, nevertheless, like this is true, these things are true, these things are not true. And then how to go from there? Like it's a hard. It's a hard like tap dance, the first couple times you do it, to like figure out where it is, especially if you're like a people pleaser by nature. Like it's a hard, it's a hard.

Speaker 2: 24:44

You know road to go down, and that's another difficult thing to do too, or realization to come to as well, is that we are not intellectual beings. Truth does not matter, and a lot of people's arguments with this or what they consider to be facts, are not the same set of facts you're working with, and when you're looking at different numbers of things, it's like I say something I would say frequently. Right is that guns are the number one killer of children, and it's well documented that that is the case. But the amount of people that were coming at me about how that's not true. Those numbers are inflated. They're taking into account things they shouldn't be with those numbers, fentanyl is really the biggest killer of children right now. It was just like. So it's hard to it's hard to have a discussion about facts. And the other thing we got to realize that we are emotional beings and that we are making a lot of we are.

Speaker 2: 25:35

I learned this from Brené Brown. She's so smart, but she talked to it in an Atlas of the Heart. She talks about how we are not all intellectual beings, we are emotional beings. With two people Can you say I'm a Dodgers fan and there's a I don't know some other support team They're playing. I don't know sports very well And we could be looking at the same playback And I will say that it was the opponents who did the foul, or whatever. And they will say, no, it was my team, the Dodgers, who did, even though we're looking at the same video. And that is because we are emotional beings and our emotional ties and our loyalty to our own group is more important to us than the truth. So that's another interesting and important thing to realize when you're having these kinds of conversations too.

Speaker 1: 26:21

I think, too, one of the things that's good, i think, or at least that I really enjoy, about your Mother's Day campaign is that I also think it acknowledges that, like when you're meeting people where they are, like everyone has a different ability in terms of like time or capacity, And so doing something like I want you to make a phone call, i want you to send an email, like that doesn't cost any money, it doesn't take a long amount of time And it gives you sort of, i think, different options to feel engaged. Because I know that a few of my friends who are moms like sent me little screenshots of letters they were sending to be like Oh, they were like, oh, there's something you're doing. And I was like, actually, there's a whole bunch of different folks out there that do this sort of work. That's really great. This is just kind of an arm of it. And then I got to brag that I was like I'm talking to one of the people involved in it.

Speaker 1: 27:05

You should listen, yeah, but you can do that in between, you know, while you're on the Metro going to work. You can do that while you're waiting to pick up a kid, or like while you're waiting for the baby to fall asleep. It doesn't. Whereas I love when people come out for marches, but, like, that can take time, that can take money. You need childcare, you need the ability to go. This is a very private and quick thing, and so giving people options to be engaged at different levels is, i think, really huge too.

Speaker 2: 27:34

Yeah, that was my favorite part about this campaign that we were not asking for any money Because there are so many different fantastic organizations like Brady who are doing this good work, but that we really wanted to make sure that everyone could get involved with this and feel like they are accomplishing something. And it was really remarkable how many people wrote in saying you know, i didn't even know that this was something I could do to try to effect change or you know, something I always wanted to do, but I was kind of nervous about making this call. But because you provided a script, you made it really easy and it wasn't scary at all, and now I feel more comfortable calling about other things that I care about, because the whole point is of it, this is just the beginning, right, like. This was a little taste of what I want to, what we're hoping to accomplish, which is to get many more people much more active in democracy.

Speaker 1: 28:19

It reminded me a lot of.

Speaker 1: 28:21

I don't know if you've read Vote Gun, which is a new book that just came out but talks about how, like, the gun lobby got so politically powerful And like kind of took over different aspects of our democracy. But one of the things that they mentioned there is even when the NRA is was pushing for, like, particular bills or different legislation that is not popular amongst the majority of Americans. They still overwhelmed senators and congressmen with the number of letters and phone calls that would come in. So, even though, on the ground, 87% of Americans would be supporting background check bills, it didn't look like that, because those Americans who were supporting those bills weren't calling in to say, hey, i support. It's much more common for people to write it and say I don't support something, yes, right. And so You have electives then who get overwhelmed and think, well, this thing is more popular. I'm gonna take flak if I don't vote for this, but this is kind of the the opposite of that same like. Let's get this ground to all people who actually all agree, like Share their opinions.

Speaker 2: 29:15

Yeah, so that's that's, and it's an exciting time, i think to be, to be getting involved. I mean it it's unfortunate that we're having to get pushed so far in the direction We don't want to go into, to activate this in us, in us. But better late than never.

Speaker 1: 29:32

Well, and on that note of togetherness, if people want to find you and find your work Whether it's like with vote, mama, or or other things that you're working on where can folks find you?

Speaker 2: 29:40

I am Caitlyn skybound on Instagram and you can check out my podcast I need anywhere you can listen to it. We also have a website. How can I help pod comm with links to where you can listen to it on Apple and Spotify, and And? and. Thank you all for this conversation and for listening.

Speaker 1: 29:58

Thank you for working so hard. Truly yeah, the more people we have in, the better.

Speaker 3: 30:03

Yes, we need it, all We need all hands on deck everybody big party.

Speaker 1: 30:07

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Speaker 3: 30:29

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